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Royal Arms Stal-XVI ''Bjorn'' Bear Tank by ChroniclesofMan Royal Arms Stal-XVI ''Bjorn'' Bear Tank by ChroniclesofMan
The Kingdom Arms Stal-XVI ''Bjorn/Bear'' Tank is the standard Heavy Tank utilized by the Kingdom of Eirangard and Leon (Note: Albion and Ishara do not deploy a modern Heavy Tank). Featured above in the battle grey of the Kingdom of Eirangard, the Bjorn is a impressive sight. Weighing in at a mammoth 220 tons, the Bjorn is the largest single battle tank constructed by Royal Arms (though variants of this vehicle do outweigh the Bjorn itself).

Specifications:
Crew: 6 (Commander, Gunner, Engineer, Driver, Spotter, Comms)
Length: 20m Gun Forward, 13.7m Hull Length
Height: 5.3m
Width: 7.1m

Armor: Hull-1200mm, Turret-1500mm Ceramic Composite

Armament:
-Main: 200mm Rifled Hybrid Kinetic Rifle (XVI), 220mm Rifled Hybrid Kinetic Rifle (XVI/B)
-Secondary: 3x 20mm Anti-Personnel/Anti-Vehicle Autocannon, 1x 50 Caliber Squad Support Weapon

Engine: Twin Renauld-Reiner Jupiter 3,000 HP Turbines
Power/Weight: 27.5 HP/Ton
Top Speed:
-65 km/h (40 mph)-Road
-48 km/h (30 mph)-Off-Road
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:iconhalo2arbiter117:
Halo2Arbiter117 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Bears a large resemblance to a Panzerkampfwagen VI
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That was the intent. :D
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Halo2Arbiter117 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well great job! It looks pretty fucking sweet! :D
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks!
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EnforcingFern48 Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2015
That is a very large target practice for tank destroyers :P
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KarenRonwood Featured By Owner Edited Jan 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Why is it 2 to 3 times larger than modern tanks? Bigger isn't necessarily better when it comes to tanks. An example is the American M1A2 Abrams vs. the French Leclerc. Despite the French tank being smaller and lighter, it has comparable levels of protection to the American tank. More volume translates into a higher material requirement which translates into higher weight. Also, I worked out that it weighs approximately 110 tons. This would collapse most bridges in the world, and at 7.1 meters wide, no train or aircraft in existence could carry it. This would be a logistical nightmare to field. Even if a nation had trains or aircraft large enough to transport this thing around, they move more tanks around if they had something smaller.

Also, overlapping road wheels are terrible. The Germans found that out the hard way on the Eastern front, where mud would get between the wheels and freeze solid. Additionally, to replace one inner wheel requires the removal of two outer wheels.

Also, RHA equivalence is not a very useful way of describing how modern tank armor actually works. This article/post helps to explain it better.
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/t…
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sn1985a Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2013
WOW~~Looks like Tiger X~~haha
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JDunk1971 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013
Nice.
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Jon-Michael-May Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Professional Writer
I suppose this is sort of nitpicking and it depends on how much detail and realism you want to get into in terms of logistics, but it came to mind when I saw your specs, because I faced a similar issue early on when designing an MBT for my own military sci-fi series.

At over 7 meters wide, I would imagine that you're limiting the number of roads it can travel on. In an open field or on main highways and interstates, with two or more lanes there wouldn't be an issue, but in many urban areas that still maintain single lane roads, this thing isn't going to fit...or at the very least in situations where there are two lane roads you're still going to be up on the side walks or running over on the shoulders. And in such situations, you're facing having to run in single columns to move large numbers of people and equipments through a narrow corridor. If that's not an ambush waiting to happen, I don't know what is.

Granted it might not be designed for urban warfare and never actually enter a town, but there is always the chance that it could be pressed into that type of service. I don't know if the Abrams MBT was ever originally intended for urban combat, but seeing it drive down the streets of Baghdad has become a familiar sight over the past few years, so much so that they upgraded it with urban survival capabilities.

Of course so far into the future who is to say if there will even be any single lane roads left. It was more of an issue for me because my series is set closer to the present and all the fighting was happening on Earth so it wasn't believable to suggest that every road on earth had grown to four lanes wide. So I made the choice to keep my armored units within the limits of a single lane road so they could make use of any paved surface that actually exists right now.

And you could always get around this by designing a smaller armored vehicle designed specifically for urban combat, such as an IFV. At any rate, maybe I'm just over thinking things and if that's the case then my bad, but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this.
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The key thing you are missing here is the fact that this is Heavy Tank. Not a MBT. As such there will be Medium and Light tanks as well to supplement. Dire Bears and Bears were intended as long range heavy hitting weapons. They can go into urban centers but do not go careening down narrow streets, instead sticking to avenues and such where they can put their firepower to work.

You're right. This series is very far in the future, and to think that cities will look like paris is a bit of a stretch in and of itself.
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Jon-Michael-May Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Professional Writer
Yeah, I hadn't considered the differences between an MBT and a Heavy tank.
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah. MBTs are sort of Mediums and Heavies rolled into one. When you split them back out again, it gives you the flexibility to go bigger with the big ones and more balanced with the mediums.
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Rasputin-1470 Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2012
Am I correct in assuming that most of the infantry/armor weapons in this universe without a stated explosive charge are purely kinetic in nature?
If so, how fast are they throwing this stuff? Mach 5? 10? Higher?
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AdamKop Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Hmm I didn't comment on this one ?
Well, it looks absolutely badass ! I love how you mixed a traditional tank with futuristic plating and angular shapes. It gives me a slight Command&Conquer vibe (good times :D).
At times like these I wish you did perspective shots for some of your work - it would be surely spectacular.
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Heh. I probably should learn to do perspective better. I am just not as talented at it as you and Flanker. *bows to superior skills*
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AdamKop Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2012  Student Digital Artist
It's nothing difficult though. You can always make a simple 3D model and use it as a base for drawing. A tank should be relatively simple due to its simple shapes.
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daTSchikinhed Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Man, what I'd do to be part of this universe haha. Your designs are simply beautiful. All of them. :P My only question is about the turbines. I worked on CH-47 Chinooks while in the Army, and turbines generate a great deal of noise and require air (or at least a combustible gas) to operate. How would these tanks operate in vacuum or non oxygenated environments? And what kind of noise damping technology is used, especially if they're inside that behemoth with the crew?
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, I mean, you can join the community, form a nation in it, and develop ideas at www.thechroniclesofman.com. The turbines bit is a relative term. Its not actually a gas driven turbine. Its a type of gravity-drive technology utilized in small craft. I haven't written the article for it yet, but its not the old whirly turbine you are use to.
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daTSchikinhed Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I will definitely look into the community and ideas. I already have a significant nation and universe set up with my brother. I don't know how well we would fit into yours. Yours is always a good read though!

As for the turbine, I stand corrected. I'd love to read more on them when you write the article. :)
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jorangeart Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It looks great. However, in context of this universe, The Chronicles of Man, I do not see the point for a Heavy Tank.

For example, suppose you want to invade a world and your enemy has Heavy Tanks on the ground. Once you kill the enemy's space ships and take the orbit, your ships e.g. destroyers can pick off any large ground units from space. You would not need Heavy Tanks to counter Heavy Tanks.

Now the enemy has no heavy units left, possibly only light ones in addition to dispersed infantry, since you can kill any larger concentration of ground troops from orbit.

In order to counter those you would not need an 200 ton tank. You would need your own infantry, supported by light, quick and most importantly mobile armour.

Therefore, a 50 ton tank / infantry fighting vehicle on threads, legs or something which can hover would seem more appropriate.

Also this is the future! Somehow a Tiger with a new paint scheme is disappointing.

Still, you are creating a very nice universe, with very nice schematics.

On another point: If your final goal is to write a book, these drawings will not improve it's quality.

I would suggest for you to write a number of short stories, of about 5k to 10k words, which are set in this universe.

You can publish them here to get feedback and improve your writing.
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The problem with what you are implying is that starships would be safe after they destroyed the enemy fleet. Problem is, planet based weaponry makes it very dangerous for fleets to stay close to planet (especially the large battleships/battlecruisers) with a planet's defenses in tact. Often enough vehicles like these will be rapidly deployed on lighter units that can avoid the larger defenses and then engage in a ground war for a planet surface, consequently it would take time for units to move. Also, it is very hard for a large vessel to bombard the hell out of a single unit on the ground. Especially when the velocity rounds move at and the orbit ships are operating at give units literally minutes to respond. I hardly think they will be moving on a straight line. Trust me this is a topic that has been approached many times by the CoM community and what we settled on were big tanks.

Of course this vehicle would be supported by lighter units and infantry. No tank operates in a vacuum, and especially big tanks. The purpose of these 200 ton tanks aren't to counter other 200 ton tanks. They are to provide bombardment ability. Long range support, and heavy hitting guns to take out those big anti-ship batteries. Do they engage other heavy tanks at times? Yes. However, that being said, most of the guns utilized by those light tanks you mention would get shrugged off by these larger behemoths. They simply don't have the firepower to break through the shields and the armor.

I am sorry you don't like the idea of a homage to an older tank. I do. Its fun and was enjoyable and it fits the kingdom I designed it for. It is the future. A future with big tanks that look like stuff from the past.

I have and continue to write short stories and expose them to my community for feedback. Currently, I'm quite busy with being in the Navy and don't have time to work to get things published. My time will be used to develop that.

I recommend that you approach these discussions on our forums. www.thechroniclesofman.com. That way the rest of the community can join in.
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wbyrd Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2012
Okay Maus mover over.....the biig dog is coming through.

a truly super heavy tanks that works has always been a dream of armor designers. the German Maus, the american T28. Huge frightening tanks with a cruiser grade main gun..but they just never quite panned out.

One of these puppies would break a defensive line alone. Nothing could expect to win a gunnery duel with it.
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nukecarrot Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012
the main gun should be a rail gun instead, much more power, much lighter
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Argent108 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012
Really good looking tank. Really reminds me of the Tiger I. Like the idea of a hybrid weapon also since it sounds like it may solve some of the problems we have with railgun tech. Like the idea of having the spotter who can operate UAVs and other sensors. Adding the independent commander's thermal viewer to the M1 really helped with situational awareness which is always important in a tank. A few thoughts to take or leave. Overlapping bogie wheels are great for a smooth ride, and lousy for maintenance and getting fouled. The 20mm may be able to do it, but add some point defense system...laser or other tech like the Israeli Trophy system. Indirect weapon system such as a small mortar or grenade launcher like the Merkava could be handy. May trade Comm guy for a second gunner with all the weapons systems to take care of. I believe there will always be a place on the battlefield for something like a tank. Really enjoy the Bolo series. Anyone seeing this tank coming is going to be looking for cover. Nice work as usual.
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gool5000 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
this thing is fucking gian. a 200 or 220mm main armament?
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yup. Depends on the variant. Got to love huge guns. :D
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gool5000 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Is it a FT tank?
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
FT? Not familiar with the acronym.
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gool5000 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Future Tech.
Its an acronym that's popular on NationStates.
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dbrought Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2012
A fellow NS FT'er. Howdy. In case you meet more of us madeinjapan FT= Future Tech, MT = Modern Tech, PMT = post modern tech (within this century basically), PT = Past Tech, and lastly FanT = Fantasy (magics!) Have to say I love your work and would love to have an in depth discussion about this universe some time.
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gool5000 Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Nah, I'm not FT. I'm MT, because I have no fething idea how to do me some futuristic stuff.
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Its part of a scifi series. WAY in the future. I just like retro. :D
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gool5000 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah. I like it
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gool5000 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
*giant
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MihoshiK Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012
Very impressive looking, altough I was hoping for some kind of (anti) missile point defense on that beast.

But I have to say, you pulled off a very nice homage to the old Tiger I tank, the Bjorn looks magnificent.
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually. I'm thinking the 20mm autocannons will serve the role of missile defense. Their coverage is actually quite a bit better than the phalanx on modern ships and given their elevation ability and rate of fire, (not to mention the caliber), they could probably fit into the role well. I'll probably also expand on that protection with additional modules. Mk. 1's always reveal the problems with a design. Thanks for the feedback and glad you like the (big) girl.
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MonCappy Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012
I noticed a possible error in your description.

Crew: 5 (Commander, Gunner, Engineer, Driver, Spotter, Comms)

You mention that the tank is operated by a crew of five, but you mention six duty positions. Is the commander doing double duty as one of the other roles or does the driver? As it stands now, you have six crew positions named, not five.
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Fixed. Thanks again.
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ops. Thanks MonCappy! Calculus makes you loose the ability to count. :D
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qa3 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012
do i see some tiger in the hull shape ?
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes
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Samuel-Havana Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012
Are all you guys forgetting that this was designed by an artist and not an engineer, and that alot of the stuff in the description doesn't make any sense at all?
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm a biomedical and a propulsion engineer. Also, there is nothing in the description that doesn't make sense. In terms of realistic projects is the design not practical? Of course. Could it be built? Without a doubt. Does it fit in a scifi universe, even more so. Perhaps there are things you could ask about as so I could better explain them to you.
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Samuel-Havana Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012
I am a Nuclear and Mechanical engineer, who's served 10 years maintaining and Installing the reactors aboard Nimitz-Class Carriers.
And have won several Nobel prices including one for medicine because I got bored and the human body handles alot like Enriching Uranium.
(Not that you'd know Engineering your way out of a mail order college.) I got research grants for making designs that make more sense then this with my eyes closed. While making sure my life saving drones helped in apprehending bin laden.

Now that you know who I am, I've seen assault mechs weigh less then 200 tons. But obviously it must be because it's a solid block of steel, with no internal parts. (1200mm armour :/)
Who even rifles their barrels anymore, and what makes a gun hybrid at all.
A tank that needs a spotter, a comm guy, but not a loader. But still needs a commander, and an engineer because obviously nobody gets trained to fix what their driving.
Sponsons straight out of world war 1 that are good for shooting over an enemy standing tall, but doesn't have a RWS ontop, let alone optics so somebody will be a very unlucky spotter.

But I'm glad somebody with your credentials, is designing one of these masterpieces.
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Firstly, this isn't a modern tank. Its a tank for a scifi series. I am happy to discuss it though same using examples. However, I won't defer to your method of speaking with an air of authority but utilizing completely asinine examples in defense of your statements (An assault mech? Really? Curious, is that what they are launching of the Nimitz-Class these days?). I will instead try to utilize some references and explanations that shed some light on my development of the design and accompanying information you see above.

Now lets move onto some of the issues your bring up. The weight of an M1A2 Abrams is around 69 tons. (Officially, thanks to GlobalSecurity.com, 69.54 tons, but lets call it 69 tons for the sake of argument.) Lets look at its dimensions now. An M1A2 Abrams is around 8 meters long, 3.6 meters wide, and 2.4 meters tall. Given that the 2.4 meters includes the turret height. Now lets just call that a box in order to simplify math. That's 69.2 cubic meters so around 1 ton per cubic meter. Now lets look at the tank I designed. 13.7m hull length, 5.3m tall, and 7.1m wide. That gives you 515.5 cubic meters. Now lets assume for a minute - and this may sound crazy but why not - that given that this scifi series is far in the future and currently composite materials are rapidly reducing weights, that we can say that the components in the future will rely heavily on those composites and rapidly reduce the weights of steel casted components favored in modern tanks. Lets further go on to assume that the tank armor will further lighten as we utilize enhancements in ultra-light composite technology there as well. So you end up with a very believable 220 tons (that may in fact be a bit light, but I erred on the side of 'lighter' rather than 'heavier').

Now lets look at the armor concerns you have, specifically the 1200mm. Large no? That's because - as with most specs in armor you will be dealing with in terms of modern tanks - it is a measure of effective protection against a standard type of round, not an actual thickness. No really, why don't you read this here. [link] . This will talk to you about armor a bit and help you understand what you clearly don't get. I will be sure to detail the rest of the round types and the effective protection when I get this little thing on my series' wiki just to quell your problems.

Now to rifled barrels. Who uses them? Well first off the Royal Army does with the Challenger 2 and to great effect owning to greater accuracy than their smoothbore counterparts. As for the Hybrid Gun element, if you hadn't been an off handed dick and instead asked a question as I offered (and people will tell you on DA, I am more than happy to explain something if it doesn't make sense), a Hybrid Gun is a type of weapon used the scifi series this tank belongs to. It uses a combination of a weapon charge and a rail driven system to minimize the size of both components to help simultaneously reduce round size while not adding significant increases in power requirements for the rail system. Its something a few of the guys that are part of CoM and I have talked about. While originally I would have loved to have your input as well on the matter, you can stay the hell away from anything related to this series.

Now lets talk about the crew configuration. First off, the spotter. Lets think about the role this person would actually play currently. With the ever increasing number of small, reusable, and easy to operate remote controlled drones and their potential benefit to the effective operation of long range artillery pieces/armor like the above vehicle, it is safe to assume that in the near future, drones will see rapid adoption and even specific use on tanks as a means of remotely painting targets to be fed into computer systems that will do a lot of the targeting work for the operators. That being said, the benefit of having an operator in the tank dedicated to acting as the 'eyes' of the vehicle through these drones is fairly clear when you consider the function of the other persons on board.

Now lets get to the comms person. Given the increasing digitization of the battlefield and the stream of data that already permeates through much of the battle-space, communications between units will always be paramount to the successful coordination of a strike. Given the volumes of information these units will share, there is a clear benefit to having someone capable of focusing their attention on digesting and interpreting this data to pass on to the other operators.

Now I will concede (and may have even openly discussed and enjoyed a friendly conversation about) the benefit of pairing the two above personnel into a single role as to free up space in the vehicle. However, since you like being standoffish and abrasive, I'll leave that discussion for later with people I actually enjoy talking to.

Now for the lack of a loader. I'll leave you with this simple fact - if you think that for a moment we will always be loading shells in tanks by hand, I recommend highly that you research some of the new autoloader technologies that will likely see implementation in future battle space.

How about we talk about the engineer next. The above discussions illustrate the fact that a lot of the equipment in vehicles is going to become more complex over time. Furthermore, the size of the vehicle allows for access to much of this equipment for active repair during operations without exposing the personnel to hazard. However, how would we possibly manage that with everyone doing their jobs. Ah! An engineer you say? That's the role of this operator. A specialist trained on all the equipment of the vehicle, he provides an expert hand in rapidly fixing issues as they develop and maintaining the vehicle in good condition when far from a motorpool or when small issues arise that could hamper operations during a combat situation. He can also further supplement the vehicle with medical training and other additional skills to expand his usefulness to the crew and the infantry the vehicle is operating alongside.

Now on to side mounted guns in sponsons and the RWS on top. The location of the side mounted sponsons is outboard of the main armor, so it won't effect the armor protection of the tank. Their purpose is to provide all around, automated protection for anti-infantry purposes. If you note the design, they also have elevation control as well. So, surprise, they can aim up or down as needed to respond to a threat. Now the RWS on top. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the term dual-function? I'll explain. Its the concept of a single device being able to carry out two independent functions. The small caliber anti-personnel rifle on top is one of these fancy dual-function devices. Simply put...forward mounted optics on the weapon (which wouldn't be visible given its current orientation) allow for remote operation via a motor driven ring mount which also allows for operator access and operation should the need arise (such as a failure of the mechanical components). I think that covers the RWS and the sponsons, but if it didn't go ahead and ask away.

Anyways, I think that covers all your sarcastic remarks which I interpreted as questions.

I'm not a dick Mr. Samuel-Havana. In fact, I've had many of good discussions with commenters on this site and explained my thought process when they asked questions. I've even been open to suggestions and taken some when modifying my design. However, if you are going to make a dick remark, I will respond in kind. Furthermore, the nature of your response and the childishness of it speaks volumes to your maturity and the validity of your claimed credentials. That being said, I welcome another sarcastic and rude comment back that ignores most of what I wrote above (likely due to the fact you don't want to actually have a discussion but rather enjoy getting rises out of people) in favor of an inflammatory response simply because you feel embarrassed. And you should feel embarrassed, your attitude and character is what stifles good discussion and constructive questioning which is a corner of any scientist, engineer, and artist.

Oh, and one last thing. I studied Biomedical Engineering at a state university, not a mail order college.
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Samuel-Havana Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012
National university of autism.
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Point proved.
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Samuel-Havana Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012
Proven*
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ChroniclesofMan Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nobel Peace Prize*
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dbrought Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012
While I respect your service and work, chill a bit man. I love the tank myself, and just because where you see futuristic warefare going doesn't mean it is going to exist as it does in this universe that has been created.
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